Marine Scotland AND MMO To Manage Sustainable Seas For All

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Thread: Marine Scotland AND MMO To Manage Sustainable Seas For All

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    http://www.fishupdate.com/news/fulls...S_FOR_ALL.html
    Quote Originally Posted by fishupdate
    Published: 09 February, 2009

    A new marine management body is being created to help Scotland make the most of its seas for future generations.

    Marine Scotland, which will be up and running by April 1, will play a key role in managing Scotland's seas, with direct responsibility for marine science, planning, policy development, management and compliance monitoring measures.

    It will work with other partners with marine interests to deliver economic prosperity including in developing areas such as marine renewables - and environmental sustainability.

    Marine Scotland offers better protection to Scotland's marine environment and will help streamline existing support services. It will deliver a simplified management and regulating system for all marine activities in Scotland.

    The current functions of Fisheries Research Services (FRS), the Scottish Fisheries Protection Agency (SFPA) and the Scottish Government's Marine Directorate will be brought together in the new organisation, which will work with others to ensure sustainable economic growth from our marine and coastal environments.

    It will build on the success of these organisations to deliver a strategic approach to managing Scotland's seas. A Marine Strategy Board, led by Marine Scotland and involving key partners with marine management interests, will be established to deliver a coherent and focused approach. Marine Scotland will become a Scottish Government Directorate.

    Scottish cabinet secretary for rural affairs and the environment Richard Lochhead said: 'We have been clear from day one that our underlying key purpose is that of sustainable economic growth.

    'The creation of Marine Scotland will help deliver this vision, managing Scotland's seas for prosperity and environmental sustainability. Marine Scotland will be the champion for our marine environment.

    'We have a unique coastal and marine environment which provides an important natural resource upon which so many communities depend. Our waters are vital to the Scottish economy and support many thousands of jobs, most notably through the oil and gas industry, aquaculture and fishing.

    'Coastal tourism and internationally significant species attract wildlife enthusiasts from around the world. Marine Scotland will combine and co-ordinate the efforts of existing bodies, to ensure we manage Scotland's seas sustainably and benefit from the rich assets and resources they represent.

    'The Scottish government will shortly bring forward a Marine Bill that will provide a sustainable future for our waters, and build on existing arrangements to provide the foundations for Marine Scotland's work.'
    Major integration move will create new marine body for Scotland
    http://www.fishnewseu.com/latest-new...-scotland.html
    Quote Originally Posted by fishnewseu
    Monday, 09 February 2009 16:36

    A NEW marine management body is being created to, in the words of the Scottish Government, help Scotland make the most of its seas for future generations. The current functions of Fisheries Research Services (FRS), the Scottish Fisheries Protection Agency (SFPA) and the Scottish Government's Marine Directorate will be brought together in the new organisation, which will work with others to ensure "sustainable economic growth" from Scotland's marine and coastal environments.

    Marine Scotland, which will be up and running by April 1, will play a "key role" in managing Scotland's seas, with direct responsibility for marine science, planning, policy development, management and compliance monitoring measures.

    It will work with other partners with marine interests to deliver economic prosperity including in developing areas such as marine renewables - and environmental sustainability.

    Marine Scotland will, it is claimed, offer better protection to Scotland's marine environment and will help streamline existing support services.

    "It will deliver a simplified management and regulating system for all marine activities in Scotland," the Scottish Government said today.

    They added that the new organisation will build on the success of the component organisations to deliver a strategic approach to managing Scotland's seas. A Marine Strategy Board, led by Marine Scotland and involving key partners with marine management interests, will be established to deliver a coherent and focused approach. Marine Scotland will become a Scottish Government Directorate.

    Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment Richard Lochhead said:
    "We have been clear from day one that our underlying key purpose is that of sustainable economic growth.

    "The creation of Marine Scotland will help deliver this vision, managing Scotland's seas for prosperity and environmental sustainability. Marine Scotland will be the champion for our marine environment.

    "We have a unique coastal and marine environment which provides an important natural resource upon which so many communities depend. Our waters are vital to the Scottish economy and support many thousands of jobs, most notably through the oil and gas industry, aquaculture and fishing.

    "Coastal tourism and internationally significant species attract wildlife enthusiasts from around the world. Marine Scotland will combine and co-ordinate the efforts of existing bodies, to ensure we manage Scotland's seas sustainably and benefit from the rich assets and resources they represent.

    "The Scottish Government will shortly bring forward a Marine Bill that will provide a sustainable future for our waters, and build on existing arrangements to provide the foundations for Marine Scotland's work."

    Marine Scotland will have direct responsibility for core marine functions, which include both the existing functions of the Marine Directorate, FRS (Marine and Freshwater Fisheries), and SFPA, and also planned new functions of marine planning, improved nature conservation measures and better integrated licensing, consents and monitoring arrangements. It will also ensure that the action of all public sector bodies is aligned with Scottish Government's vision on marine issues.

    In 2007 the Scottish Parliament's Environment and Rural Development Committee called for steps towards a single integrated regulatory system for all marine activities in Scotland. In the same year the Advisory Group on Marine and Coastal Strategy recommended that there should be a Scottish Marine Management Organisation with a remit of national co-ordination of integrated coastal zone management and marine spatial planning delivery.

    As part of the Scottish Government's simplification programme, announced in January 2008, the First Minister announced that Scotland would bring together marine management functions from across public organisations, into a single body, to better protect Scotland's marine environment and streamline services which support this vital Scottish industry.

    The recent (July-October 2008) public consultation on a Scottish Marine Bill has, the Scottish Government say shown strong support for improved marine management arrangements and establishment of a new, integrated body to "champion" Scotland's seas. Over 80 per cent of those who responded to this issue in the consultation process agreed with proposals to establish Marine Scotland. The largest group to express a view favoured Marine Scotland being established as part of Scottish Government.

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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm this will end up as a total F.U.B.A.R. !!!

    Why ?? well when I worked for the Marine Lab fishermen were , normally , quite free in the information they gave up ( about black landings , where they were fishing , any big hauls they had to dump due to small fish , etc ) as they knew we were completely separate from the Fishery Office. Now that the 2 will be integrated I , personally , wouldn't let them touch my fish nor come out to sea on my boat ( if I had one that is lol ).

    Now that the 2 are integrated I would be very VERY circumspect in my dealings with the Marine Lab as I would have absolutely no confidence that any information they got wouldn't be turned over to the SFPA and that may lead to the SFPA going "fishing" through the Marine Lab database to see if they can prosecute anyone.

    Yet again politicians with no idea of how things work interfering with a system to "make it more efficient" only to destroy any good will the industry had towards the Scientists.

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    Tyneside to be home for new marine organisation
    http://www.fishnewseu.com/latest-new...anisation.html
    Quote Originally Posted by fishnewseu
    Thursday, 12 February 2009 12:49

    TYNESIDE will be the home of the headquarters of a new body to regulate and manage the sea around England, it was announced today. The news comes in the wake of the announcement of a new integrated body to manage Scottish waters.

    UK Marine and Fisheries Minister Huw Irranca-Davies said Tyneside is "ideally placed" to host the "groundbreaking" new Marine Management Organisation (MMO).

    The MMO, part of the government's Marine and Coastal Access Bill, will be a "centre of expertise" that will contribute to sustainable development, streamline regulation and improve enforcement.

    Tyneside's bid won strong backing across the North East, and Ministers decided the area had the right mix of environmental, business and academic marine interests.

    The MMO's responsibilities will include:

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    a new marine planning system
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    a new integrated marine licensing system
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    enforcement of sea fisheries, nature conservation and licensing using powers under the Marine and Coastal Access Bill

    Mr Irranca-Davies said:
    "Tyneside was chosen for several reasons, not least because of its broad range and good balance of marine interests. It has a working port, a busy local fishing industry, and businesses including offshore renewable energy development, all of which fit well with the MMO's role."

    "The new organisation's location is integral to its ability to be highly respected by everyone who uses and values our seas, and in Tyneside the MMO will be close to people and organisations who care passionately about marine protection and how we use our seas."

    "All of the shortlisted locations made professional, well-presented bids and I thank everyone involved for their efforts and enthusiasm."

    The MMO will be a Non-Departmental Public Body, replacing the Marine and Fisheries Agency and will take on the new marine planning function and some responsibilities from other government departments and agencies, bringing together marine functions in one independent body for the first time.

    The MMO applies to the waters around England and also UK offshore waters for non-devolved and reserved matters. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have separate arrangements with a new integrated body for Scotland, Marine Scotland, announced last week.

    The Marine and Fisheries Agency currently has around 200 staff in its HQ and 18 coastal offices. The new HQ will create more than 40 new posts. It is not yet known how many existing MFA HQ staff will relocate to the new location. Arrangements are being put in place to ensure effective services continue to be provided to MFA customers in the transition to the new MMO and beyond.A Chair and Board for the new organisation will be recruited in this year and the MMO is expected to be vested on April 1, 2010 depending on Parliamentary timescales for the Marine and Coastal Access Bill.
    New MMO location “positive” move, but concerns remain
    http://www.fishnewseu.com/latest-new...ns-remain.html
    Quote Originally Posted by fishnewseu
    Thursday, 12 February 2009 14:50

    THE decision to locate a new Marine Management Organisation for England on Tyneside is a positive step forward, a conservation group said today.

    But while WWF-UK said they were pleased to see plans for the Organisation (MMO) progressing, they voiced concerns that the Government appears to be "shying away" from empowering the Organisation to lead the sustainable development of seas.

    WWF-UK said the new Marine Management Organisation is an integral part of the UK Marine and Coastal Access Bill currently working its way through Parliament.

    But Natasha Barker, Senior Marine Policy Officer at WWF-UK added: "The MMO has the potential to manage the many activities in our seas and ensure that all development at sea is sustainable. However, the Government appears unwilling to give the MMO the teeth it needs and is already planning to hand over key functions of this organisation to other bodies with no real marine expertise. We risk compromising the good intentions of the UK Marine & Coastal Access Bill if we do not give the MMO a strong enough mandate."

    WWF, believe that for the UK Marine and Coastal Access Bill to work effectively, the MMO should be given a strong objective to lead "the sustainable development of our seas."

    This includes giving it more power over decisions to develop major infrastructure projects that affect marine and coastal areas, and ensuring that marine scientific expertise is represented on the Board of the MMO with the establishment of a Scientific Advisory Committee.

    At present, key sectors such as oil and gas installations and carbon capture and storage are excluded from the MMO's remit. In addition, any major infrastructure development - including major port development and renewable energy stations above 100MW - are likely to fall under the jurisdiction of the Infrastructure Planning Committee (IPC) which will be under no obligation to seek and take account of the advice from the MMO. WWF say they believes that, as a specialist marine body, the MMO will be in a much better position to make an informed decision about these projects than the IPC and should have a much greater role on large offshore developments.

    WWF also believes that further co-ordination between the MMO and devolved administrations is critical to ensure consistency in marine protection across borders. Marine activities are not restricted to political borders and therefore the management regime must reflect this.

    Natasha Barker adds: "The Government has a vision of ‘clean, healthy, safe, productive and biologically diverse seas and oceans'. However, if the Bill is not strengthened, marine planning will remain uncoordinated and piecemeal and we are unlikely to achieve this vision."

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    Even more of a F.U.B.A.R. than I thought.........

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    there is a good reason to distrust the FRS anyway Davie, having read there report on the torridon area and studying their graphs. it shows a decline in the stock of more than %40, on top of this, the MSC have somehow accredited this fishery with another eco friendly label. how many other fisheries show a %40+ decline and our superb marine directorate say this is good? yes, none. for some reason the more the FRS get combined with the MARINE DIRECTORATE the worse this industry becomes. well done for this poll, hopefully it will get a few hits to see what other fishermen think of it. there will soon be more tossers in suits pushing around bits of paper (not very environmentally friendly i may add) than there is fishermen. it is after all the fishermen that keep these bodies in their existence. the real need is for fishermen to run the industry and dispose of the suits, closely monitored by scientists etc. interesting that we now have en exponential increase in policing an industry that has exponentially decreased in size. where is the logic. at least with the combining of the governance into one body, we should be expecting to hear of massive redundancies! hmmm, I PERSONALLY DOUBT IT.

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    sorry folks, here is the link for the report, put up on the website in september 2008, the FRS refuse to do an article n the fishing news with reference to this report saying it is out of date research! what a load of b******s,

    http://www.frs-scotland.gov.uk/FRS.W...nts/IR1608.pdf

    paragraph 5 in the summary is all you really need to read to get you interested! tells you about the %40 drop, it is actually more when you plot the graphs yourself, and change the scale which they have in natural logarithms. and this is the body responsible for our industry, the good old FRS. we do need the science, wether it be showing the good points or the bad points, that way, we as fishermen can offer ideas and hopefully have the say on how WE can help manage the stocks, to me a %40 decline in stocks is stock collapse, yet what is done? nothing, MSC give it another stamp backed up ny our friends the suits, this shows they know nothing otherwise they would have spotted this

    here is a link to a post from last year also mentioning this %40 decrease. Marine Directorate, FRS and the MSC were made aware of this on numerous occasions, yet MSC still accredited the fishery, how does this help our stocks. dont see them say the same thing for cod/monks etc,
    http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/forum...=1886#post1886
    Last edited by red john; 21st February 2009 at 11:58. Reason: a wee add on from a post of last year :0)

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    oh, one other point, on top of this, under freedom of information request (FOISA) theres is currently £25 million spent on the FRS and £25million spent on SFPA budgets to police us, the fishermen. where is the logic in this? surely a fraction of this budget would suffice the effective policing of the industry! this money would be better spent putting scientists onto fishing boats to see exactly what comes out of the creel/codend/dredge/nets and record it. or, it could be distributed as some sort of compensation/tie up aid to help the fishermen.

    no use the merger of these bodies as with all the big brother policing within our industry, Davie is right that all they will do is goto FRS records and prosecute the boats.

    its a no win situation i fear

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    Well I can shed a little light on why it costs so much for FRS John. The Scotia cost £8000 a day back in 1998/9 so that has to be £12,000 per day ( that is all costs for running her including crew costs but excluding scientists extra pay ) but you have to add in the extra payments the scientists get when they are at sea onto that.

    A normal 20 day research trip will cost £240,000 plus a variable amount depending on how many scientists are aboard , say for normal fish surveys you have 7 aboard ( that was the normal amount 6-8 depending on what was being done ) that will be an additional £2000+ per scientist ( we used to get £1800 on top of our pay for a 20 day trip 11 years ago so £2000 will be less than they get now I guess ) for a total of £254,000 for 1 survey. You have the January/February North Sea survey , February/March West Coast survey , Several smaller surveys up till the North Sea Herring survey in June/July , North Sea survey in August , Rockall Survey in September , 2 short trips in October , West Coast survey ( looking for that years Mackerel ) in November and refit in December. Total time at sea 160-180 days , average cost £12,700 per day so that will be £2,032,000 - £2,413,000 so say roughly £2.5m a year for the Scotia with another £1m in harbour dues and refit costs.

    The Alba Na Mara will be a lot cheaper at say £1m per year. Staff costs at the lab ( 240 people roughly ) roughly £7m without overtime add in another £3m for overtime roughly. The Electricity bill at the Lab itself used to be £18,000 per month so that will be up to £25,000 per month so another £300,000 just for electricity.

    Vehicle costs will be fairly high £50,000 + per year roughly simply due to the high mileages the staff run up going all over the country.

    Total : £14,850,000

    I don't know how much the Pitlochry Lab ( Fresh Water Lab , part of FRS ) costs but ~£10m seems a bit high to make up the balance....

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    The SFPA costs would be roughly the following

    4 Offshore patrol vessels , must cost £10-12,000 per day to operate each with each boat doing 180-200 days at sea per year giving £9,600,000 so with Harbour Dues and refit costs that must be closer to £13m for the 4 boats

    Aircraft costs : 1900 hours flying time each for the 2 , not sure of how much these cost to run but the fuel is £300 a tonne and they take up to 4 tonnes of fuel so including pilots/crew , servicing costs , airport costs , air traffic costs must add up to £1000 an hour to operate so £3,800,000 per year for the 2

    Staff costs : 309 staff with an average wage of say £25,000 including overtime , £7,725,000

    Office costs : 18 offices in ports which must come to £20,000 per year each for rent , rates , electricity , gas , etc so £360,000. Edinburgh head office ( now moved from the original stand alone into the Scottish Office building in Leith I think ) would be £30,000+ so say £400,000 for office costs.

    Car costs would be high , again at least £50,000 a year

    Total I can make it roughly is £24,975,000 ( hey not bad !! )

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    hello davie, thanks for those figures, i have FOISA of the total cost, including salary bands of various employess of both FRS and SFPA for 2007, it is 25million each, approx.
    also if you check this link, and look at the second one down,
    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...+budget+&meta=

    and yes, your just about spot on, the not bad bit is just about on the button :0)

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