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fox
17th February 2008, 18:08
Can anybody tell me where i can buy ready made model trawlers.I would love to be able to make one but due to long working hours i have very little time to myself.

bill wood
18th February 2008, 13:22
I do complete models.

Only snag is that they cost about 3k each

Regds
Bill

jonah
18th February 2008, 15:50
there are model books, with lots of 2nd. hand models for sale at a few hundred s. ask in newsagents for such a book.

ally
19th February 2008, 08:44
I do complete models.

Only snag is that they cost about 3k each

Regds
Bill

3 grand for a model :eek:

I bought a complete model of the drifter Foxglove for my father and only paid 40 quid.

skjold
19th February 2008, 12:45
pris for this model 7k

http://www.worldfishingboats.com/photo.aspx?photoid=116&asortType=6&apage=1

remus
19th February 2008, 17:58
contact colin at:
TRAWLERCOOK@TRAWLERCOOK.KAROO.CO.UK
this lad builds some excellent models and they dont cost a
arm or a leg.
if you want to look at some he has built go to
shipnostalgia. com

skjold
19th February 2008, 20:50
You get wot u pay for

nhp651
19th February 2008, 22:46
I totally agree, Skjold

quiet waters
20th February 2008, 12:00
3,000? think i'll go into business instead of making them for my own amusement, but having seen pics i'd have to say the work that goes into them and the hours it takes 3 grand is reasonable. finding anyone to pay that price might be harder than making the model, was there not a time when owners got models made of the big new builds, bit of one upmanship if you excuse the pun, one skipper gets a model made so the others follow suit, keeping up with the joneses, or some more recognisable broch name maybe?

you can get ones for 150 but they don't look that great, and there are a few kits about for less than that, radio controlled maggie m seems to be a favourite, she was built less than a mile from my house but i can't see me making a model of her, there were a lot better looking ships came out of the campbeltown yard.

nhp651
20th February 2008, 20:24
if you consider that it would take about 300-350 hours to build a Maggie M, plus the kit plus glues, paints r/c equipment then 3k is a small amount.
it amazes me that we all take our cars down to the garage for a service at 40quid plus vat an hour, see a solicitor at 180 an hour for a divorce and any other professional works at 20+ per hour at least, then to charge 6.50 an hour to professionally build a model is not ripping someone off.
I have honed my skills over many years (40 +) and I don't think that to work for 60p above minimum wage to produce a lovely model is over the top, especially when you are doing something that others can't do.

skjold
20th February 2008, 21:13
super word nhp651 ;-)

nhp651
20th February 2008, 23:29
sadly Skjold, some people have little idea of what goes into building a GOOD model, and some just don't like to hear the truth.thanks for your support. neil.

quiet waters
21st February 2008, 02:24
you won't find me argueing, i've only started but i reckon i've done about 30 hrs work already which i intend to scrap to start afresh now i have the original plans of the boat that i intend to build a model of. the yard which built the boat have kindly loaned me the original blueprints from 1956 so the work done will be set aside to start over using a scale taken from original plans. i can use the pieces i've made for the hull of a future build but for the present its time wasted in the process to achieve my goal of a model of the boat i grew up working on.

i didn't intend to belittle the endevours of others, i just think it would beadifficult to find prospective purchasers for what would be considered a luxury item. anyone willing to pay upwards of 3,000 for a completed model would no doubt do so as they had an appreciation of the art and skills involved, plus of course the wherewithall to indulge themselves by buying a model. i know it could take up to 300 hrs to build from a good kit, and i know that building from scratch as i intend to do will take at least twice that or more. i fully expect to take a year to build my first model, hopefully to the standard that would gain the appreciation of model builders i know and respect, it is because i appreciate the amount of work involved that i decided to build myself rather than ask someone else who i know would build one for me even tho they would secretly rather not, being to kind to refuse the request.

plus it will give me a lot of satisfaction once completed to look at it and think "i built that" i know someone who turns down requests to build for others as he couldn't charge them the true cost of his time and effort, and i dare say the reduced cost he does sell the odd one for falls way short of their true intrinsic value. if anyone can get commissions for anywhere near the prices mentioned well i say good luck to them, they have my respect, the further i get into my build the more i will respect their endeavours, as i stumble my way towards an imaginary launch date, already i have asked myself how will i ever manage to make something as good as hat and thats only looking at examples of winches made from plasticard.

expect to get your brains picked frequently during the coming months, i hope you will all be gentle with me, first question, has anyone made machinery like winches or engines from the sheet metal that is available? if so can you solder pieces together, has anyone tried?

nhp651
21st February 2008, 16:41
you are more than welcome to pick my brains anytime.
I had a good teacher 49 years ago in my grandfather who had as an apprentice, built parts and whole builders models for the firm he worked for.
By the time he came to teach me he was practically blind, but as a master pattern maker he could "feel" the lumps and dints in my models that needed sanding and I never forgot two things he taught me.
1) was that you can "see" more things with your fingers, and
2) there is never a bad model, as whatever you see displayed is probably the best that someone can and has achieved, and is their pride and joy.
and sadly there are too many prima donna's in the modelling world that have a skill and yet won't share it.
god gave me the skills that I have, my grandad just nurtured me into using them, and if I can help anyone, they only have to ask.
all the best with your model, and I'm only a pm away.
neil.

martin johns
21st February 2008, 16:52
I think you hit the nail on the head there Quiet waters when you said about appreciating art. Many people would think nothing of spending 3K on a painting or a piece of fine furniture. High class model making encompasses both disciplines & many more.

quiet waters
21st February 2008, 17:07
thank you, thats much appreciated, i've been lucky enough to be loaned the original drawings by the nobles yard in girvan, i've still to figure out what scale to use, was thinking on 1.5cm to the foot, want it big enough to be able to hopefully see and appreciate the nobles lines. i also plan to have the deck removable to see into the forecastle and engine room, this means i may have to use solid wood for the frames rather than ply as i'd intended. at the moment i'm collecting pics, its surprising how few i have of a boat we owned for 17yrs, making drawings of the deck layout and machinery, i'm having trouble finding a decent winch pic, my mind even went blank as to its maker (skegan) and i'm waiting on delivery of a bandsaw i bought on ebay, i had bought a scrollsaw but it didn't impress me so i sent it back.

i saw pics of a steel boat where it was left unpainted, the winches looked marvelous with their brass pipework and fittings. is it possible to use the thin sheet metal that i've seen on model sites to make machinery, if so how are parts stuck together, do they solder, glue? i'd like to make the winch this way rather than plasticard method. likewise the cat engine.

you don't know what you've let yourself in for offering advice, i promise not to pester you too often, i'm already planning the one after, my steel trawler Quiet Waters, i might even make them in tandem once i get the keel laid on the jasmine.

nhp651
21st February 2008, 19:32
don't think anything on the lines of vivaldi's absolutely stunning model at the moment.
master the art of modelling in simple materials like plasticard, and the rods and tubing that you can
and buy to go with it.
think laterally also at other materials that you can use for modelling such as thin solder wire for piping, easy to bend and glue with superglue. plasticard is easy to use, comes in various thicknesses and easy to cut.if you are going to sail your model on salt water don't bother with working lights, the salt in the air will knacker the wiring within months.
ball point pen tops cut down make good lamp shades on smaller scale models whilst the round barrels of pens can be used for masts and such. make a fitting and then press it into plastercine in two halves, pour car repair resin in and you can simply make multiple fittings.plastic water piping makes good drum barrels for winches and funnels, etc.
if you think "outside the box" as all these yuppies say, you can in fact make a lot of your fittings in such ways and from scrap materials. the balls out of your roll on underarm deoderant make great bobbins for your trawl net?.
however the best way of learning about such ways to manufacture such stuff is to go to your local model boat club, act very ignorant and ask HOW. there is a mine of information at such events.but the mane thing is START EASY and build your way up, and remember, there is nothing wrong with building a kit.
use such glues as two part liquid epoxies, superglues for glueing such items as decks to hulls, prop shafts into the hull and super glues for fittings. use plastic weld for the plasticard, and for gluing wood together use a glue such as an Aliphatic resin which is a quick grab glue and also waterproof.
I have over the years, designed kits for a manufacturer, and STILL enjoy building kits from others manufacturers for myself.
there is NO stigma to building from kit,and most of all, enjoy your modelling.
neil.

skjold
21st February 2008, 21:04
http://www.schiffs-modell-bau.net go to ( den meine modelle ) then ( Stril Power) and ca 50% down English 

world champion 15 gold 7 silver and 10 bronze :-)

www.osv-society.info

http://www.alansboats.co.uk

bill wood
22nd February 2008, 14:48
At the other end of the scale I can supply a Campbeltown 80' hull and shelter for 60
Say 30 for plastic/ply/paint/glue etc

50 for motor /shaft and battery

70 for Radio and speed controller

Thats 210 for all the bits
How does that compare with a Maggie M kit?

I didnt add in the few hundred hours required

Anyway in life you get what you pay for

Regds
Bill

bill wood
22nd February 2008, 15:11
I would agree with NHP? that it is best to keep it simple for starters.

Since the original boat was built in Nobles I am assuming that it is about 50'
and the drawing you have will be about 1/2" to the foot ie 1:24 scale
This would give you a model of 25" which is OK for display but verging on the small side for sailing

Maybe a better scale would be 1/20 scale which would give a model size of
30" which is better for sailing.

Essentials at this stage are a scale rule and a calculator as it is easier to visualise sizes in full size,measure them then scale it down

You also need to consider what you want your model to portray. Is it to be
a) a showcase for your modelling skills such as Vivaldis excellent trawler
or
b) A model that shows all the little bits and pieces that you know were on the boat ie a model with a bit of character, maybe with a bit of sea coal in a box drying out ready for the stove etc.


Any thing you need help with -just ask. Thats why we are on this site

Good luck
Bill W

yesterdays man
22nd February 2008, 16:54
Just to back up Bill Wood's statement that he is there to help others. He is giving up his quality time (Sat 1 March) to travel from Aberdeen to Anstruther to support the idea of setting up a model boat club at the Scottish Fisheries Museum, with other like minded people.

quiet waters
22nd February 2008, 19:31
she is 54ft and i reckon the 1/20 scaleis nearer the mark, i have a finished length of about 85cm in mind, its intended for display purposes only, hadn't even though about a sailing model, not really anywhere you could sail a model other than the campbeltown inner harbour. i might consider a RC model for my next project which will be of my own boat i had in the nineties, she was steel so i'm not sure if i could make her in steel/or the modelling equivelent, or a moulded hull of some sort. first things first tho, i have a long long way to go before the first is finished before thinking about the next, walk before i run i think? i think i'll fit belowdecks out in detail and make the deck removable altho it will seldom be lifted for showing, just knowing its there will be satisfaction enough for me. if its good i'll give it to my mother as it was my late fathers boat, if its just ok i'll keep it myself. thanks for your encouraging words, i'm sure i will be asking lots of questions in the coming months, like anyone know where i can get pics of a skagen winch? its not shown very well in any pics and i drew a pic mostly from memory, but i'm sure i've missed something.

bill wood
23rd February 2008, 13:41
Quiet Waters
Hi again,
At 1/20 scal thats coming in at 32" which in my opinion is a wee bit big for display in a house.

Have a look at my build photos of the Faithful.
The stb side is as normal but the portside has scallops cut out to see into the process deck and galley which will be fitted out . Worth a thought?

Presuming that the Skagen winch is from Denmark. If you can give me some details as to era,trawl/seine etc I can ask Kent from Karstensens shipyard if he can find anything.

Regds
Bill

quiet waters
23rd February 2008, 22:33
i tried looking for a site for the yard but couldn't find anything, it was a trawl winch with friction breaks on the drums, a task to put new shoes on them, you screwed down a big threaded handle to put them on. it was a belt drive with the shaft running off the fore end of the engine with the clutch operated by a wheel with a chain drive up to the wheelhouse to engage it. it had a two big handles you pulled down to engage the drums to winch in, no reverse, that was done by just letting off the break. it was in the boat when we got it in 73 and wouldn't have been aboard her when she was new in 58 for poogy anderson in dunure, so your guess is as good aqs mine, tho the pics i stuck on here of her coming to CN in 73 show a winch that is not in its first flush of youth so i reckon mid to late 60's, i could have just said 60's couldn't i? a saturday night, empty hoose, rubbish film on sky kinda post, don't know the word stop.

as for the size, i want it to dominate any room it sits in, hopefully the quality of my work will justify this, if not i'll stick it up the loft with instructions to shove it in the furnace with me when i go

any info you could get would be much appreciated, its very kind of you, not many could be bothered to help a stranger, especially us "coaltar" i might be dry for last 13yrs but you never get clear of the smell of the salt air

Davie Tait
23rd February 2008, 22:45
Sounds like the same type of winch that I had to use on the Silver Wave BF almost 20 years ago. I didn't take any photos when I was at sea ( like DUH Idiot ( EEJIT more like !! ) ) mores the pity

nhp651
23rd February 2008, 22:50
if ya build it big enough, quiet waters, you could "go" in it.
proper viking burial and all that.
if so just don't make it out of too much plastic as it might stink the crem out a bit.
be a good talking point at parties as well?? lol :D

quiet waters
23rd February 2008, 23:21
don't go putting ideas in my head, if my wife sees that i'll be for the off before i get a chance to get the keel laid. she was having a clear out last week and was heading out the door with binbags of clothes for a charity shop, i stopped her so i could look thru them for material for curtains for the bunks, you should have seen her face when i said what i wanted it for, i haven't started and i'm choosing curtains, think i've said too much, ha ha ha

skjold
27th February 2008, 20:26
if ya build it big enough, quiet waters, you could "go" in it.
proper viking burial and all that.
if so just don't make it out of too much plastic as it might stink the crem out a bit.
be a good talking point at parties as well?? lol :D

http://www.portrevel.com/

quiet waters
27th February 2008, 20:46
i take it you added the rolleyes yourself, looks like a great idea, let someone run aboot a carpark in a sinclair C5 and then let them loose with an 18 wheeler ar-tic, playing in wee toy boats to leaqrn how to steer sometihng the length of three fitba pitches, it reminds me of many years ago when i attended the nautical college in glasgow to do my skippers ticket, did my morse, the first aid, my o'level navigation was more than sufficient for the standard needed, then the eye test, excelled in the night recognition then had to read eye chart, that was fine, then i was asked to take off my specs and read it, ha ha ha, had been wearing them for 15yrs by this time from age seven, explained i couldna see the chart nevermind read it, the manny suggested sending me to eye hospital for corrective lenses for two weeks then do test again!!!!! where do they get them from, if it was that easy to correct we'd all have 20:20 eyesight, i explained the error of his suggestion and was told, you had to read the chart without assistance of specs, guess who never got his ticket? today you could get laser surgery, but this was before cd's were invented nevermind laser surgery.
so lookout when you see a big tanker, he'll think you are very small or very far away!!!!

nhp651
27th February 2008, 21:26
hi skjold, the web page woudn't come up for me, is there any other way for me to look at it. thanks, neil.

chrissy140162
13th April 2009, 20:29
Can anybody tell me where i can buy ready made model trawlers.I would love to be able to make one but due to long working hours i have very little time to myself.


HI, IAM SELLING A MODEL MADE BY A EX CREW MEMBER OF THE SWANELLA H.1065 THATS BEEN LEFT TO US BY A GOOD FRIEND....IT IS IN A DISPLAY CASE WOOD/GLASS. ANYONE THAT IS INTERESTED PLEASE CONTACT ME. CHRISSY

artic-ranger
24th May 2009, 21:29
i built a 1/33 scale tito neri tug a couple of years ago for a chap and charged 575.00 was that to cheap?, i also built a slipways trent for 300.00, and added extra detail on both and they took me around 3 months each to build.