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grahamtowa
21st September 2007, 18:34
Has anyone any idea what boat can claim this title? I am meaning a purpose built fishing vessel, rather than a converted tug, etc.?

McFlett
21st September 2007, 20:45
Not sure Graham - but this article is interesting for those who haven't read it.
http://www.tyne-wear-tees.co.uk/north-shields.htm

Davie Tait
21st September 2007, 20:50
This was discussed over on the shipsnostalgia site Graham

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=60692

Davie

grahamtowa
21st September 2007, 21:08
i see that , Davie. They don't seem to have come to any agreement, tho!

Davie Tait
21st September 2007, 21:40
lol I see that Graham. I guess its a bit of a problem as the first ones built were steam beam trawlers / great liners / drifters so getting a definate first name might be problematic. If I find anything in any of my books i'll let you know:D :eek:

causea
21st September 2007, 21:50
Debatable subject Graham there seems to be a fairly strong body of opinion that the first purpose built steam trawler was the Zodiac of Grimsby (1881) however David Allan of Granton built the Forward and the Onward as purpose built steam drifters in 1878.

grahamtowa
23rd September 2007, 09:30
Thanks, Causea. Am currently researching the Allan yard and had heard that these two were the first. I put up the posting to get independant confirmation of this. I am told that the Allan yard also built a wooden screw steam trawler, Pioneer, in 1877. Does anyone have any further info? cheers, Graham:)

OffScotland
24th September 2007, 13:18
PEREGRINE (A 895) Built 1877. 79G Steam Drifter sunk by gunfire from sub 20 miles WNW of Ramma Stack 23/8/1918.

ALPHA (Great Yarmouth) and EAGLE (A 874) both steam drifters built 1879. Lost 1908 and 1919 respectively.

Don't know if these were conversion jobs...

grahamtowa
24th September 2007, 15:32
Thanks, OffScotland. Aberdeen Steam Trawler Losses book says of Peregrine-
23 April 1918 Peregrine A895 79t 1877
The peregrine was registered as a fishing vessel only 4 months earlier by W.J.Duncan and W.A.Leith.....
So sounds like it's maybe been a small steam tug or "puffer" and converted to fishing vessel in wartime? Dunno, but that's how I'm reading it......:confused:

grahamtowa
30th September 2007, 20:41
Going back to Allans of Granton, the 1877 built trawler Pioneer was registered as LH854 and sold to Lerwick in 1880 (reg unknown).
Another built by them was Restless Wave GN7 in 1878.
Does anyone have any further info on either?

OffScotland
2nd October 2007, 18:22
I have RESTLESS WAVE, a Granton Steam Trawler built 1879, as sunk 4 miles WxS of May Island on 19 October 1890. Also noted a PIONEER (H 634), recorded as a 1870 built drifter, wrecked near Banff on 11 November 1897. For your PIONEER that went to Lerwick, perhaps someone in Shetland could drop into the Shetland Archive in Lerwick and look through the Fishing Registers around the date of the transfer. Would also be worth checking the Mercantile Registers that they have as well.

grahamtowa
4th October 2007, 15:48
Thanks, OffScotland. Yes thats the Allan built Restless Wave.
As for the H reg Pioneer, think that may be a different one, but cannot say for certain. Pioneer was a popular name in late 1800s, early 1900s. In 1889, there were 5 Pioneers registered at Lerwick alone! Makes it complicated. I have checked the Shetland museum website, with no luck....